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I have heard enough lies…I’m sure obama would not speak the truth because the truth is
not in him !!! so therefre I would not want to hear ANYTHING he had to say !!!
Thanks, Greta
I DON’T THINK THAT OBAMA WILL GO FOR ANOTHER DEBATE AS HE IS SO BUSY CLEANING UP HIS MESS FROM HIS PASTOR AND FARAKKAN AND AYERS AND EVEN HIS WIFE MICHELLE’S COMMENTS AND WRITINGS.
I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD DEBATE SO HILLARY CAN MAKE A FOOL OUT OF HIM.
Always need more debates! Hillary would look Presidential (once again) as Obummer stutters, hehaws and hems while the lies going atwirling thru his mind!
Hey, check into the 100 million dollars that Obama got from the George W. supporters back in
2006 to jump start his campaign. Maybe the Reps. wanted an easier opponent than H.R.C. and
Obummer sure would be the ticket.
Ha, all you obaminites are gonna learn. If He’s elected you will see the real obama, black and nasty, just like wright. do any of you think he listened to the man for twenty years and doesn’t concur with his thinking. A pastor is a leader, a guide if you will and for him (obama)to say they don’t have the same views is just stupid. If he gets elected he divide this country and we’ll be in a racial divide that’ll last for years and could come down to outright civil war. Believe me obama is a wolf in sheeps clothing and you guys are so mistified you can’t see it.
Do yourselves a favor: VOTE OFTEN AND VOTE REPUBLICAN!!!
How dare you. How dare any of you to use the lives of the soldiers that died serving there country to prevent terriorists from attacking our country once again. To insinuate these deaths are related to the Senator who was one of 77 who votes yes, is despicable. You have no pride. You have no shame. To use the military as a talking point in regards to promoting your candidate is horrendous.
I am soldier, stationed on Fort Bragg. And when they approved going to war I boarded a C130 to Uzbekistan, and then to Bagram Afghanistan. All to protect the lives of the american people. The ones who use there time quoting death tolls and percentages while stepping all over our backs to get a point across. What have you done! What have you done for the men and women in uniform that are dying so you can use us as a talking point?
Leaders make hard decisions based on the evidence provided. Leaders make choice for the welfare of there country and there nation. Leaders are responsible for the lives of millions. But you would rather forget that Senator Clinton was not the only one who voted. You choose to forget that Bush administration lied. You pick and choose what you want to hear and see, to twist it around to suit your purpose.
I volunteered to serve my country. When I raised my right hand I took an oath. I stand for something that you will never know about. The possibility of me loosing my life is a reality when i deploy. And I seethe with anger when I see people quoting numbers and percentages as if they have the right. You have no rights. You sold them the moment you stopped thinking about the welfare of the nation other than your own personal opinions and beliefs. You do us no justice. Have you ever sent one of those soldiers a care package? They have groups here across the united states that do things for the soldiers overseas.
But you rather use it as a talking point for Senator Obama. You are despicable. You are a disgrace. And you are abusing the right to vote when there are over 2 million people in two states I could name that would love to have the chance. So you all stay right here and keep going back and forth, proving your point by walking on the backs of the dead soldiers your using for personal gain.
I never. I never in my military career thought I would be disappointed in anyone. You show us no respect. You are willing to DIS respect the lives of individuals just to promote your candidate and that sickens me. It SICKENS me to know that no one cares about what is happening with us unless it can be used as a talking point.
To people such as you, we are a number that is pulled out from the top shelf to use as ammunition. When you prove your point you put us back until its beneficial once again. But if you want Senator Obama to the point you will walk over people who died serving there country to prove his capability. The ones who left daughters, sons, mothers, father and friends behind, do so. But your actions do us no service and your candidate do us no justice. Because you would rather forget he wasnt in the Senate to even vote, just to suit your personal needs.
If he has time to spend hours in the NBC studios then surely he has time to do a debate so the people can learn more about him.
He has been so protected by the press that the real Obama has not really stood up as of yet.
I just think its time for him to stand up and be vetted, by the people finally.
There is justice in this world… Hillary and Bill are on the receiving end of the shaft they used on other people for 8 scandal filled years….gee imagine that??? Karma is alive and well and this time it’s the Clintonista’s turn to have it “stuck” to them. I’m not signing ANY petitiion to pull her chestnuts out of the fire that she and Slick stoked against themselves for 8 long years of one scandal after another. . People died while they LIED!
Where were all the petitions when she was making others’ lives a living hell on earth..and him too. Feel sorry for the people on 9/11 when Slick hid the fact he allowed Bin Laden to escape for the third time in a row…when people gave their lives to plan for Slick to take command and take Bin Laden down. He never did! How ANY American can justify voting for either of them…again..is so far beyond comprehension it’s pathetic. All I can figure is you’re voting party lines which will bite you all in the end the same way it bit you the last time when you voted Slick in to begin with. As Wright said…”"You cannot do terrorism on people and not expect to not get terrorism in return”,
I don’t feel sorry for Nobama he made his own bed too… and least of all I surely don’t feel sorry for the Clinton’s either…they made their own bed and now they find it a bit lumpy???? Too bad…sooo sad. You reap what you sow! The chickens ARE… coming home… TO ROOST!!!!!!!!!!
If all you people can complain about is that McCain isn’t Conservtive enough …and would rather allow another takeover of our WH by known criminals and liars…then I really don’t have much to say about that…other than…some people just NEVER LEARN! They will take you down with them. Count on it!
Hey Lorna ..are you on Obamas’ payroll? You have spent unmeasurable amounts of time and expended huge amounts of energy to do research on Clinton.Any good researcher however should list their sources. She has not been indicted or convicted of any felony. Ken Starr and others spent millions of tax payers money to put them away. If your allegations are true then I find it hard to believe that crimes of this nature wouldn’t have been revealed earlier in the campaign. Since the Clinton’s do have a lot of people who dislike them then why haven’t they come forward with a vengeance in order to get her out of the race? What are they waiting for? Another fact that may be noteworthy is that there are millions of people who have voted for her. I feel compelled to caution you that insinuating that the Clinton’s are murderers is a form of slander and certainly is a felony. Take care.
Don’t believe for a minute that the supers are all secretly aligned in the Obama camp. The media who print and proliferate this and other stories about her needing to drop out are all for Obama-shamelessly so. If they are, they just sold out the next 4 maybe 8 years. You cannot win a close battle and it will be close with the small caucus states. You need to beat the opponent (who has some appeal) in the battlegrounds where Hillary has won. It used to be a dead heat, but I think in all the areas that matter-Hillary is pulling ahead. Hillary can tell her passionate supporters to support the democratic candidate but I doubt the ones in Florida will be able to stomach doing so unless their votes are counted. Hide and duck, the media will protect him.
I know we all have heard them both many times. But it seems to me that he is hiding. His public speaking has lost its’ luster. If he want to be President, he needs to show that he is FEARLESS. To me, it seems like he is hiding. It is not the issues so much as seeing if he can speak intelligently and it is how he acts, his body language, voice, etc. that will help people feel more secure about him again. Hiding or ducking makes it seem like he cannot handle Hillary. For Goodness Sakes!!!!! Hillary is out there staying that she WILL SHOUT IT FROM THE MOUNTAINTOPS that dems should vote for WHOEVER is the nominie. Nothing like those words coming from the Obama campagin that I have heard. Silence.
The reason that Obama will not debate in my opinion is he really can’t take any kind of criticism. I think this stems from his disruptive childhood. He is driven by the deep rooted need to be validated and valued. This is not hard to understand since he was abandoned by his father and moved again when his mother remained in Indonesia (after re-marrying) when Barack wanted to return to the States. His maternal grandparents took him in at the age of 10 and provided him with a very upscale private education.When a child is separated from a parent at such a young age it leaves deep emotional scars. These type of wounds are not easily healed and leaves a person uncertain of his identity and his worth. I think this is what propels him and I also think that this insatiable need to be accepted is what drew him to Reverend Wright in the first place. I can personally relate to this part of his bio and truly feel some compassion for him. Because he has such a need to be loved and accepted it can impair one’s judgment. It is difficult to form healthy and loving relationships. If a person’s self-esteem is low and I truly believe his is, it makes one vulnerable. Unfortunately under these circumstances a person will end up with some unsavory characters in their repertoire. When you digest a few excerpts from his book “Dreams of my Father” his anguish is almost palpable. The reason these points are important to ponder are because this young ambitious man wants to be our President. The responsibilities are daunting. There will be times when he will have to make unpopular decisions which I think will cause him great anxiety. This is an observation and an unprofessional opinion but I do believe it comes into play when asked about debates or Rev. Wright.
OBAMA HAVE TO MUCH TO WORRY ABOUT RIGHT NOW TO DEBATE HILLARY. WHAT I SAY IS OBAMA HAVE NOT HEARD THE LAST FROM REV. WRIGHT. IN A WAY I DON’T BLAME REV. WRIGHT. OBAMA NEEDED REV. WRIGHT FOR SO MANY YEARS TO GET AHEAD AND WHEN IT SEEMS HE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THIS HE WANT TO THROW THE REV. UNDER THE BUS. HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER RAN FOR PRESIDENT LIKE I HAVE SAID SO MANY TIMES OBAMA IS GREEDY AND HE WILL DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO GET WHERE HE WANTS TO GO. YES HE SHOULD DEBATE BEFORE THE NORTH CAROLINA AND INDIANA PRIMARIES IT WOULD SHOW LEADERSHIP. NOW HE AND HIS WIFE IS ALL OVER THE NEWS TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE REV. WRIGHT COMMENTS. WHY WASN’T THIS DONE BEFORE A LONG TIME AGO. I BELIEVE IT WASN’T DONE BECAUSE OBAMA THOUGHT HE HAD IT MADE. HE WAS BANKING ON VOTES HE GOT BY BEING DISHONEST. REV. WRIGHT KNOWS A LOT ABOUT OBAMA HE BETTER HOPE THE REV. DON’T COME OUT WITH SOME DEEP DARK SECERT HE KNOW ABOUT HIM OVER THE YEARS. I THINK OBAMA MADE A MISTAKE IN THROWING REV. WRIGHT UNDER THE BUS NOW I THINK HE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO BUT HE DIDN’T. THE ENQUIRER STATES THAT OPRAH TOLD HIM TO LEAVE A LONG TIME AGO BUT HE REFUSED.
Here is the latest body count that we have. All of these people have been connected with the Clintons in some form or another. We have not included any deaths that could not be verified or connected to the Clinton scandals. All deaths are listed chronologically by date. This list is current and accurate to the best of our knowledge as of January 13, 1999 August 1, 2000.
Susan Coleman: Rumors were circulating in Arkansas of an affair with Bill Clinton. She was found dead with a gunshot wound to the head at 7 1/2 months pregnant. Death was an apparent suicide.
Larry Guerrin: Was killed in February 1987 while investigating the INSLAW case.
Kevin Ives & Don Henry: Initial cause of death was reported to be the result of falling asleep on a railroad track in Arkansas on August 23, 1987. This ruling was reported by the State medical examiner Fahmy Malak. Later it was determined that Kevin died from a crushed skull prior to being placed on the tracks. Don had been stabbed in the back. Rumors indicate that they might have stumbled upon a Mena drug operation.
Keith Coney: Keith had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Died in a motorcycle accident in July 1988 with unconfirmed reports of a high speed car chase.
Keith McKaskle: McKaskle has information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He was stabbed to death in November 1988.
Gregory Collins: Greg had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He died from a gunshot wound to the face in January 1989.
Jeff Rhodes: He had information on the deaths of Ives, Henry & McKaskle. His burned body was found in a trash dump in April 1989. He died of a gunshot wound to the head and there was some body mutilation, leading to the probably speculation that he was tortured prior to being killed.
James Milam: Milam had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was decapitated. The state Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, initially ruled death due to natural causes.
Richard Winters: Winters was a suspect in the deaths of Ives & Henry. He was killed in a “robbery” in July 1989 which was subsequently proven to be a setup.
Jordan Kettleson: Kettleson had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup in June 1990.
Alan Standorf: An employee of the National Security Agency in electronic intelligence. Standorf was a source of information for Danny Casalaro who was investigating INSLAW, BCCI, etc. Standorf’s body was found in the backseat of a car at Washington National Airport on Jan 31, 1991.
Dennis Eisman: An attorney with information on INSLAW. Eisman was found shot to death on April 5, 1991.
Danny Casalaro: Danny was a free-lance reporter and writer who was investigating the “October Surprise”, INSLAW and BCCI. Danny was found dead in a bathtub in a Sheraton Hotel room in Martinsburg, West Virginia. Danny was staying at the hotel while keeping appointments in the DC area pertinent to his investigation. He was found with his wrists slashed. At least one, and possibly both of his wrists were cut 10 times. All of his research materials were missing and have never been recovered.
Victor Raiser: The National Finance Co-Chair for “Clinton for President.” He died in a airplane crash on July 30, 1992.
R. Montgomery Raiser: Also involved in the Clinton presidential campaign. He died in the same plane crash as Victor.
Paul Tully: Tulley was on the Democratic National Committee. He was found dead of unknown causes in his hotel room on September 24, 1992. No autopsy was ever allowed.
Ian Spiro: Spiro had supporting documentation for grand jury proceedings on the INSLAW case. His wife and 3 children were found murdered on November 1, 1992 in their home. They all died of gunshot wounds to the head. Ian’s body was found several days later in a parked car in the Borego Desert. Cause of death? The ingestion of cyanide. FBI report indicated that Ian had murdered his family and then committed suicide.
Paula Gober: A Clinton speech writer. She died in a car accident on December 9, 1992 with no known witnesses.
Jim Wilhite: Wilhite was an associate of Mack McClarty’s former firm. Wilhite died in a skiing accident on December 21, 1992. He also had extensive ties to Clinton with whom he visited by telephone just hours before his death.
Steve Willis, Robert Williams, Todd McKeahan & Conway LeBleu: Died Feburary 28, 1993 by gunfire at Waco. All four were examined by a pathologist and died from identical wounds to the left temple. All four had been body guards for Bill Clinton, three while campaigning for President and when he was Governor of Arkansas.They also were the ONLY 4 BATF agents killed at Waco.
Sgt. Brian Haney, Sgt. Tim Sabel, Maj. William Barkley, Capt. Scott Reynolds: Died: May 19, 1993 - All four men died when their helicopter crashed in the woods near Quantico, Va. - Reporters were barred from the site, and the head of the fire department responding to the crash described it by saying, “Security was tight,” with “lots of Marines with guns.” A videotape made by a firefighter was seized by the Marines. All four men had escorted Clinton on his flight to the carrier Roosevelt shortly before their deaths.
John Crawford: An attorney with information on INSLAW. He died from a heart attack in Tacoma in April of 1993.
John Wilson: Found dead from an apparent hanging suicide on May 18, 1993. He was a former Washington DC council member and claimed to have info on Whitewater.
Paul Wilcher: A lawyer who was investigating drug running out of Mena, Arkansas and who also sought to expose the “October Surprise”, BCCI and INSLAW. He was found in his Washington DC apartment dead of unknown causes on June 22, 1993.
Vincent Foster: A White House deputy counsel and long-time personal friend of Bill and Hillary’s. Found on July 20, 1993, dead of a gunshot wound to the mouth — a death ruled suicide. Many different theories on this case! Readers are encouraged to read our report in Strange Deaths.
Jon Parnell Walker: An investigator for the RTC who was looking into the linkage between the Whitewater and Madison S&L bankruptcy. Walker “fell” from the top of the Lincoln Towers Building.
Stanley Heard & Steven Dickson: They were members of the Clinton health care advisory committee. They died in a plane crash on September 10, 1993.
Jerry Luther Parks: Parks was the Chief of Security for Clinton’s national campaign headquarters in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car on September 26, 1993 near the intersection of Chenal Parkway and Highway 10 west of Little Rock. Parks was shot through the rear window of his car. The assailant then pulled around to the driver’s side of Park’s car and shot him three more times with a 9mm pistol. His family reported that shortly before his death, they were being followed by unknown persons, and their home had been broken into (despite a top quality alarm system). Parks had been compiling a dossier on Clinton’s illicit activities. The dossier was stolen.
Ed Willey: A Clinton fundraiser. He died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound on November 30, 1993. His death came the same day his wife, Kathleen, was sexually assaulted in the White House by Bill Clinton.
Gandy Baugh: Baugh was Lasater’s attorney and committed suicide on January 8, 1994. Baugh’s partner committed suicide exactly one month later on February 8, 1994.
Herschell Friday: A member of the presidential campaign finance committee. He died in an airplane explosion on March 1, 1994.
Ronald Rogers: Rogers died on March 3, 1994 just prior to releasing sensitive information to a London newspaper. Cause of death? Undetermined.
Kathy Furguson: A 38 year old hospital worker whose ex-husband is a co- defendant in the Paula Jones sexual harassment law suit. She had information supporting Paula Jone’s allegations. She died of an apparent suicide on May 11, 1994 from a gunshot wound to the head.
Bill Shelton: Shelton was an Arkansas police officer and was found dead as an apparent suicide on kathy Ferguson’s grave (Kathy was his girl friend), on June 12, 1994. This “suicide” was the result of a gunshot wound to the back of the head.
Stanley Huggins: Huggins, 46, was a principal in a Memphis law firm which headed a 1987 investigation into the loan practices of Madison Guaranty S&L. Stanley died in Delaware in July 1994 — reported cause of death was viral pneumonia.
Paul Olson: A Federal witness in investigations to drug money corruption in Chicago politics, Paul had just finished 2 days of FBI interviews when his plane ride home crashed, killing Paul and 130 others on Sept 8 1994. The Sept. 15, 1994 Tempe Tribune newspaper reported that the FBI suspected that a bomb had brought down the airplane.
Calvin Walraven: 24 year on Walraven was a key witness against Jocelyn Elder’s son’s drug case. Walraven was found dead in his apartment with a gunshot wound to the head. Tim Hover, a Little Rock police spokesman says no foul play is suspected.
Alan G. Whicher: Oversaw Clinton’s Secret Service detail. In October 1994 Whicher was transferred to the Secret Service field office in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Whatever warning was given to the BATF agents in that building did not reach Alan Whicher, who died in the bomb blast of April 19th 1995.
Duane Garrett: Died July 26, 1995-A lawyer and a talk show host for KGO-AM in San Fransisco, Duane was the campaign finance chairman for Diane Fienstien’s run for the senate, and was a friend and fundraiser for Al Gore. Garrett was under investigation for defrauding investors in Garrett’s failed sports memorabilia venture. There was talk of a deal to evade prosecution. On July 26th, Garrett canceled an afternoon meeting with his lawyer because he had to meet some people at the San Fransisco airport. Three hours later he was found floating in the bay under the Golden Gate Bridge.
Ron Brown:. The Commerce Secretary died on April 3, 1996, in an Air Force jet carrying Brown and 34 others, including 14 business executives on a trade mission to Croatia, crashed into a mountainside. The Air Force, in a 22-volume report issued in June of 1996, confirmed its initial judgment that the crash resulted from pilot errors and faulty navigation equipment At the time of Brown’s death, Independent Counsel Daniel Pearson was seeking to determine whether Brown had engaged in several sham financial transactions with longtime business partner Nolanda Hill shortly before he became secretary of commerce.
Charles Meissner: died: UNK - Following Ron Brown’s death, John Huang was placed on a Commerce Department contract that allowed him to retain his security clearance
by Charles Meissner. Shortly thereafter, Meissner died in the crash of a small plane. He was an Assistant Secretary of Commerce for International Economic Policy.
William Colby: Retired CIA director was found dead on May 6,1996 after his wife reported him missing on April 27,1996. Apparently, Colby decided to go on a impromptu canoeing excursion and never returned. Colby who had just started writing for Strategic Investment newsletter, worried many in the intelligent community. Colby’s past history of divulging CIA secrets in the past were well known. Strategic Investor had covered the Vince Foster suicide and had hired handwriting experts to review Foster’s suicide note.
Admiral Jeremy Boorda: Died on May 16,1996 after he went home for lunch and decided to shoot himself in the chest (by one report, twice) rather than be interviewed by Newsweek magazine that afternoon. Explanations for Boorda’s suicide focused on a claim that he was embarrassed over two “Valor” pins he was not authorized to wear.
Lance Herndon: Herndon a 41 year old computer specialist and a prominent entrepreneur who received a presidential appointment in 1995 died August 10, 1996 under suspicious circumstances. He appeared to have died from a blow to the head. Police said no weapons were found at his mansion, adding that Mr. Herndon had not been shot or stabbed and there was no evidence of forced entry or theft.
Neil Moody: Died -August 25, 1996 Following Vincent Foster’s murder, Lisa Foster married James Moody, a judge in Arkansas, on Jan 1, 1996. Near the time Susan McDougal first went to jail for contempt, Judge Moor’s son, Neil died in a car crash. There were other reports that Neil Moody had discovered something very unsettling among his stepmother’s private papers and was threatening to go public with it just prior to the beginning of the Democratic National Convention. He was alleged to have been talking to Bob Woodward of the Washington Post about a blockbuster story. Witnesses said they saw Neil Moody sitting in his car arguing with another person just prior to His car suddenly speeding off out of control and hitting a brick wall.
Barbara Wise: Wise a 14-year Commerce Department employee found dead and partially naked in her office following a long weekend. She worked in the same section as John Huang. Officially, she is said to have died of natural causes.
Doug Adams: Died January 7, 1997- A lawyer in Arkansas who got involved trying to help the people who were being swindled out of their life savings. Adams was found in his vehicle with a gunshot wound to his head in a Springfield Mo. hospital parking lot.
Mary C. Mahoney: 25, murdered at the Georgetown Starbuck’s coffee bar over the 4th of July ‘97 weekend. She was a former White House intern who worked with John Huang. Apparently she knew Monica Lewinsky and her sexual encounters with Bill Clinton. Although not verified, it has been said that Lewinsky told Linda Tripp that she did not want to end up like Mahoney.
Ronald Miller: Suddenly took ill on October 3rd,1997 and steadily worsened until his death 9 days later. (This pattern fits Ricin poisoning.) Owing to the strangeness of the illness, doctors at the Integris Baptist Medical Center referred the matter to the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner’s Office. The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner’s Office promptly ran tests on samples of Ron Miller’s blood, but has refused to release the results or even to confirm that the tests were ever completed.
Had been investigated by authorities over the sale of his company, Gage Corp. to Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. was the man who tape recorded Gene and Nora Lum and turned those tapes (and other records) over to congressional oversight investigators. The Lums were sentenced to prison for campaign finance violations, using “straw donors” to conceal the size of their contributions to various candidates. Indeed, Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. had hired Ron Brown’s son Michael solely for the purpose of funneling $60,000 through him to the Commerce Secretary, according to Nolanda Hill’s testimony.
Sandy Hume: On Sunday, February 22nd, 1998, Sandy Hume, the 28 year old son of journalist Britt Hume, was reportedly found dead in his Arlington, Virginia home. Aside from the statement that this was an “apparent” suicide, there remains in place a total media blackout on this story, possibly out of concern that the actual facts will not withstand public scrutiny. Worked for Hill magazine, about Congress for Congress.
Jim McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally, sent to prison for eighteen felony convictions. A key whitewater witness, dies of a heart attack on March, 8 1998. As of this writing allegations that he was given an injection of the diuretic lasix has not been denied or confirmed.
Died on March 8, 1998
Johnny Lawhon: 29, died March 29, 1998- The Arkansas transmission specialist who discovered a pile of Whitewater documents in the trunk of an abandoned car on his property and turned them over to Starr, was killed in a car wreck two weeks after the McDougal death.. Details of the “accident” have been sketchy — even from the local Little Rock newspaper.
Charles Wilbourne Miller: 63, was found dead of a gunshot wound to the head on November 17, 1998 in a shallow pit about 300 yards from his ranch house near Little Rock. Police found a .410 gauge shotgun near Miller’s body and a Ruger .357-caliber revolver submerged in water. Investigators concluded the Ruger was the weapon used by Miller to kill himself. Yet, two rounds in the handgun’s cylinder had been spent.
He had long served as executive vice president and member of the board of directors for a company called Alltel and was deeply involved in his own software engineering company until the day he died. Alltel is the successor to Jackson Stephens’ Systematics, the company that provided the software for the White House’s “Big Brother” data base system and that was behind the administration’s plan to develop the secret computer “Clipper” chip to bug every phone, fax and email transmission in America.
Carlos Ghigliotti: 42, was found dead in his home just outside of Washington D.C. on April 28, 2000. There was no sign of a break-in or struggle at the firm of Infrared Technology where the badly decomposed body of Ghigliotti was found. Ghigliotti had not been seen for several weeks.
Ghigliotti, a thermal imaging analyst hired by the House Government Reform Committee to review tape of the siege, said he determined the FBI fired shots on April 19, 1993. The FBI has explained the light bursts on infrared footage as reflections of sun rays on shards of glass or other debris that littered the scene.
“I conclude this based on the groundview videotapes taken from several different angles simultaneously and based on the overhead thermal tape,” Ghigliotti told The Washington Post last October. “The gunfire from the ground is there, without a doubt.”
Ghigliotti said the tapes also confirm the Davidians fired repeatedly at FBI agents during the assault, which ended when flames raced through the compound. About 80 Branch Davidians perished that day, some from the fire, others from gunshot wounds.
Mark Corallo, a spokesman for the congressional committee chaired by Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., said that police found the business card of a committee investigator in Ghigliotti’s office. Corallo said Ghigliotti’s work for the committee ended some time ago.
Tony Moser: 41, was killed as he crossed a street in Pine Bluff, Ark on on June 10, 2000. Killed 10 days after being named a columnist for the Democrat-Gazette newspaper and two days after penning a stinging indictment of political corruption in Little Rock.
Police have concluded that no charges will be filed against the unnamed driver of a 1995 Chevrolet pickup, which hit Moser as he was walking alone in the middle of unlit Rhinehart Road about 10:10 p.m
Police say they have ruled out foul play and will file no charges against the driver because he was not intoxicated and there was no sign of excessive
Here’s Hillary’s List of Undesirables and Criminal Affiliations:
Susan and George McDougal (prison)
Norman Hsu (prison)
Peter Paul (Was in a foreign prison)
Marc and Denise Rich
Liu Chao Ying
American Muslims Association
Hugh Rodham (Her brother she’s hiding until the election is over)
Aaron Tonken
Sant S. Chatwal
International Profit Associates (IPA)
Yah Lin “Charlie” Trie
John Huang
James Riady
Johnny Chung
Roger Tamraz
Jeffrey Epstein
John K.H. Lee
Pauline Kanchanalak
Ng Lap Seng
Abdul Rehman Jinnah
Ron Burkle
Look them all up. Hillary Clinton will be under investigation before she could even win the nomination. The Republicans are salivating for her to win. She’s toast.
There’s a reason why Hillary Clinton has remained relatively silent during the flap over intemperate remarks by Barack Obama’s former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. When it comes to unsavory religious affiliations, she’s a lot more vulnerable than Obama.
You can find all about it in a widely under-read article in the September 2007 issue of Mother Jones, in which Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet reported that “through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the “Fellowship,” aka The Family. But it won’t be a secret much longer. Jeff Sharlet’s shocking exposé, The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power will be published in may
Sean Hannity has called Obama’s church a “cult,” but that term applies far more aptly to Clinton’s “Family,” which is organized into “cells” — their term — and operates sex-segregated group homes for young people in northern Virginia. In 2002, writer Jeff Sharlet joined the Family’s home for young men, foreswearing sex, drugs, and alcohol, and participating in endless discussions of Jesus and power. He wasn’t undercover; he used his own name and admitted to being a writer. But he wasn’t completely out of danger either. When he went outdoors one night to make a cell phone call, he was followed. He still gets calls from Family associates asking him to meet them in diners — alone.
The Family’s most visible activity is its blandly innocuous National Prayer Breakfast, held every February in Washington. But almost all its real work goes on behind the scenes — knitting together international networks of rightwing leaders, most of them ostensibly Christian. In the 1940s, The Family reached out to former and not-so-former Nazis, and its fascination with that exemplary leader, Adolph Hitler, has continued, along with ties to a whole bestiary of murderous thugs. As Sharlet reported in Harper’s in 2003:
During the 1960s the Family forged relationships between the U.S. government and some of the most anti-Communist (and dictatorial) elements within Africa’s postcolonial leadership. The Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva, with Family support, was overseeing regular fellowship groups for Latin American leaders, while, in Indonesia, General Suharto (whose tally of several hundred thousand “Communists” killed marks him as one of the century’s most murderous dictators) was presiding over a group of fifty Indonesian legislators. During the Reagan Administration the Family helped build friendships between the U.S. government and men such as Salvadoran general Carlos Eugenios Vides Casanova, convicted by a Florida jury of the torture of thousands, and Honduran general Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, himself an evangelical minister, who was linked to both the CIA and death squads before his own demise.
At the heart of the Family’s American branch is a collection of powerful rightwing politicos, who include, or have included, Sam Brownback, Ed Meese, John Ashcroft, James Inhofe, and Rick Santorum. They get to use the Family’s spacious estate on the Potomac, the Cedars, which is maintained by young men in Family group homes and where meals are served by the Family’s young women’s group. And, at the Family’s frequent prayer gatherings, they get powerful jolts of spiritual refreshment, tailored to the already-powerful.
Clinton fell in with the Family in 1993, when she joined a Bible study group composed of wives of conservative leaders like Jack Kemp and James Baker. When she ascended to the senate, she was promoted to what Sharlet calls the Family’s “most elite cell,” the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast, which included, until his downfall, Virginia’s notoriously racist Senator George Allen. This has not been a casual connection for Clinton. She has written of Doug Coe, the Family’s publicity-averse leader, that he is “a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God.”
Furthermore, the Family takes credit for some of Clinton’s rightward legislative tendencies, including her support for a law guaranteeing “religious freedom” in the workplace, such as for pharmacists who refuse to fill birth control prescriptions and police officers who refuse to guard abortion clinics.
What drew Clinton into the sinister heart of the international right? Maybe it was just a phase in her tormented search for identity, marked by ever-changing hairstyles and names: Hillary Rodham, Mrs. Bill Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and now Hillary Clinton. She reached out to many potential spiritual mentors during her White House days, including new age guru Marianne Williamson and the liberal Rabbi Michael Lerner. But it was the Family association that stuck.
Sharlet generously attributes Clinton’s involvement to the underappreciated depth of her religiosity, but he himself struggles to define the Family’s theological underpinnings. The Family avoids the word Christian but worship Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the “meek.” They believe that, in mass societies, it’s only the elites who matter, the political leaders who can build God’s “dominion” on earth. Insofar as the Family has a consistent philosophy, it’s all about power — cultivating it, building it, and networking it together into ever-stronger units, or “cells.” “We work with power where we can,” Doug Coe has said, and “build new power where we can’t.”
Obama has given a beautiful speech on race and his affiliation with the Trinity Unity Church of Christ. Now it’s up to Clinton to explain — or, better yet, renounce — her longstanding connection with the fascis
Obama has an Islamic terrorist fundraiser raising money for him. Hatem El-Hady formerly of Kindhearts of Ohio, which was shut down in Feb. 2006. He was questioned about his knowledge of a UK based terror plot. He raised 5.1 million dollars in 2004 for terrorists. In addition to his endoresement by Hamas, this is very disturbing. If the super delegates are supporting Obama, in my opinion they are supporting terrorism.
First off, where do people get the idea that Hillary can lead a country? When she makes a mess in the WH you can bet Slick will have to clean it up….or someone will sweep it under the rug as they’ve done before…let’s not forget they both had all the cards in their favor once before…and what did they do when they did…took full advantage… and then screwed the help, the CIA, the Military, the FBI …. and all of us when Slick lied to our faces…..America as we once knew it DIED!……and we all know…how bad he is at doing any work he can’t get a flunky to do for him. Anyone can teach a Monkey to absorb FACTS AND FIGURES if they hear them long enough and ..if they study hard enough…that’s not the point. She is NOT leader material AT ALL ..she’s tough because she has to appear manily… but leading is not her forte’ anymore than it was Slicks. I for one do not want a repeat of what a disaster we had to deal with when they both had all the power. They abused it …and us…and every person who dared to cross them.
Does anyone REALLY believe either one of them has changed??? In what way exactly??? Where, when, and how…their own party hates them both. Do you remember how much money DC spent to get rid of both of them???? And now they want back to repeat history…what was so great about their history and legacy that makes them so appealing??? OMG Wake up. Giving them another chanxe to screw us again isn’t in our own best interests…it’s in theirs…not ours. She’s bound to be distracted by Slicks ego maniac tactics that embarass her at every turn..his ego won’t allow him to shut up… and be just the First Man…that’s beneath him..even if he wasn’t Presiden’t before she was….he’ll be President AGAIN…NOT HER!……and… she’s not big on leadership ABILITIES anyway to stand up to him… and she will need to keep her nose to the grindstone..not her nose following him around. Way too much distraction happening there from day one. A Leopard does NOT change it’s spots.
Go ahead…convince me she’s the best person for the job..other than she can repeat facts and figures at will. And, I’ll vote for her too……I’m waiting!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Jorge
April 30th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Wright should name his new house … ‘Katrina Castle’ … after all he got the house with donations for ‘Help the Katrina victims’.
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First time I’ve heard about this. Could you put up a link…or explain where this info. came from!!! Thanks
Greta,
You rock my world.I watch your show daily and really respect the wonderful work you do.As for Obama,I think its really sad that his friend of 20 years needs to be thrown under the bus in order for him to win the White House.The man who he called his Uncle sitting in that church as a boy listening to those sermons over and over again.Id bet a years salary that if Obama becomes our next President,the good Rev Wright will be invited to many funtions,dinners,and family get togethers.Tell the people what the want to hear and they will follow like sheep.History tells us this is really true when it comes to our youth.In any country or year you want to choose.
I think George Soros is kicking the crap out of Rupert Murdoc and Rupert doesn’t have to balls to fight George back! Nevermind their media and political puppets.
Everytime I hear Obama say he never vetted Wright, I consider that a bald-face lie. He gets away with it. He tells us he showed poor judgment when accepting the land deal from Rezko, yet he’s running on having good judgment. Which is it? One day he has poor judgment and the next it’s his campaign slogan. We can read into this. We don’t need anyone to point this out to us. He lies. Wm. Ayers, another poor judgment on his part, we all go to bombers homes to start out our State Senate campaigns. In the Senate, him and McCain get into it a year or so ago. Yet Obama tells us he can lead. First he has to work the aisles in the Senate, he talkes about Tom Coburn at the PA debate, another smart move. Republicans are just lovin this guy. When he can’t take the heat, he blames his Grandmother. Read his book Dreams from my Father. See if you can finish that and don’t come away with thinking him and Wright have a lot of thoughts about the whites in common, yet he threw him under the bus too when he’s no longer convenient to have around.
Kim2cool,
I don’t like the stamering myself but that is not why I think Obama is a typical liar politician.
1′ He said he never heard rev.Wright say anything derogatory at church(yet he at the last minute pulls him from the pray duty at his announcement that he’s running for president.
2, he said he gave back all of Tony Rezko’s money to charity (somehow he forgot about $90,000 that was spent on his senate campaign that he couldn’t give back)
3, in 2006 he was asked if Tony Rezko gave him a break on the property he bought from him Obama said no.(public records show that Obama bought the house for about $245,000 less then fair market value) when questioned about that he said he was unaware of that.
4, he said he never had a relationship with the weather group terrorist(2002 fund raiser was held at his house) (both served on a charity board together and co-chaired events) when asked about this Obama said that he was a fine upstanding teacher from the neighborhood and that he didn’t know him when he was eight years old.
5, when asked about Louis Farrakhan he said he had no relationship with him(2007 Trinity man of the year and walked with a group of men from Chicago in the Million man March that included Louis Farrakhan)
6, says he is wants to unite the country(20 years a member of Trinity Church that teaches black values and theology) that doesn’t sound like uniting to me it sounds like separatism!
Hillary is getting blamed for a lot of stuff her husband did and thats O.K. She is a tuff broad And would make a great president. Her only problem is all this hit the news to late. The press fell in love with Obama as did a lot of Americans. He came out sounded to good to be true and now he is proving that to be true. To the states that didn’t vote yet open your eyes fix the mistake tha rest of the country made. For the super delegates get it right don’t vote race.
Rev. Wright is not an idiot. He might be an a-hole, but he is not stupid. He staged this controversey with Obama so that Obama can play the victim and prove to everyone that they are now officially divorced. The media and much of the public are eating it up. Pennsylvania was the 1st big test as to how the Wright situation affected Obama’s votes and now there are many negative commercials being aired throughout North Carolina and Indiana linking Obama with Wright. Wright warned Obama along time ago that the day would come that they would have to disassociate themselves from one another and Wright was dead on. Obama will be sending Wright a thank you card before to long. They totaly deflated any more hype surrounding the two of them. I also could not help but notice that Obama used this as an opportunity to polish his wife’s reputation as he mentioned in his speech yesterday that his wife was just as angry and sadden by Wright’s comments as he was. These guys really know how to play to a crowd ecspecially the so called “white folks” as Obama’s has referd to us in many past interviews.
Today…….even though I do not agree with Rev. Wrights anti-american views……I actually feel sorry for Rev. Wright. Here’s why……Rev. Wright was intentionally HIDDEN from the public when he lead the Obama’s in prayer……when announcing Obama’s presidency…….Obama took Rev. Wright’s name off of his campaign advisory committee…….Obama refered to Rev. Wright as the “uncle” that everyone has in their family…..Just these facts …began to build RESENTMENT. Rev. Wright feels betrayed by Obama. Wright thought that he and Obama were on the same page for 20 years…..Rev. Wright, does deserve some credit for his honesty. Obama has lead us down the path of deceit. Rev. Wright feels betrayed, and I think he was betrayed by Obama……Why didn’t Obama use his uniting skills with Rev. Wright, in those 20 years, to explain to him some of the greatness of America.?……….
A man who has never gone to school may steal from a freight car; but if he has a university education, he may steal the whole railroad. Teddy Roosevelt
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Would you like me to tell you where you can put that degree of yours?!
comments by jojo - I agree with you on Larry King. He is a real old duck trying to act like he is 30 years old. He is so far too the left its ugly. His wife a young girl acts like a weirdo, I seen her on a night show a couple of years ago. Young enough to be his granddaughter. He is a pure boring person. He has no class for TV. He better retire his obama may not get in.
The national Enquirer reported that Barack had cheated on his wife. Also an internet sight reported that Obama had a gay affair. I would hope both are just trash rags and blogs at their finest if not just more reasons not to vote for him.
Hillary is a habitual liar and can easily fudge her way out of a true answer. That is why her Bosnia answer flowed so freely off of her lips, she had written about the lie way ahead of time. Hillary is crafty, I will admit, and can play off any answer to her favor. I commented that Hillary hates to answer unscripted answers, not that she could not lie her way out of them! As far as Obama, he is more of an introvert, and an introvert must take time to think of their answers (I know, for that is how it is for me). So it appears he is stammering. However, that does not mean he is lying, just looking for the right way to express his ideas effectively.
Greta….drop it…your bias toward Clinton is coming out……of the two Democratic candidates, it is obvious to the more intelligent voters that Clinton is the one who is saying what she says because of politics…besides, that’s the definition of a politician…it’s the dumbies in America who believe everything Hillary says. Barack will say what he has to say as a politician and so does Hillary…only he is more sincere and she is full of crap; don’t trust her; don’t believe one thing she says; she’s just plain ugly inside and out…we all know that so why don’t you get it?
And Great, who cares about Rev Wright and what he says whether or not Barack is present … Wright has the right to say what he wants…Barack has the right to attend what ever he wants to attend and listen to whomever he wants to listen to. I saw you sitting at the podium with Rev Wright…does that make you someone who condones everything he said. Eating a tomatoe doesn’t make you a tomatoe!! Get with it girl. PS I am a white grad degreed world traveled Republican intellectual … guess that’s why I can see through the Clinton crap and see a real change master in Barack. I don’t want the same old Washington filth that Hillary is so full of and represents. It’s time for a fresh start.
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Who the heck do you think you are to come on here and tell Greta what to put on her blog???
You obviously aren’t nearly as intellectual as you think you are, because you sound arrogant and insulting. You’re making both yourself and Obama look bad, and for Obama, he already looks bad enough.
Comment by kh in tx
April 30th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Mona Lisa- Since when did Michelle ever HELP Barack’s likeability factor????? I thought she had been sternly put away in a closet or something and told to shut up? kh
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kh in tx: Well, they are using her now. There is a blog post about her on the AC360 Blog today talking all about the “exclusive” interview tonight. Last night Chris “shivers” Matthews talked about how, because she is a woman, she can stir up sympathy for Obama by appealing to the voters in regards to this Wright crap.
The debates are over get over it. Obama is dancing away from the issues and the last thing he needs when his back is against the ropes is an a$$ kicking from Hillary. There is only so many times you can listen to umm hmmm and ohhhhhmmm. If it’s not on a teleprompter forget about it. If I were Hillary I wouldn’t debate him right now I would let rev.Wright keep beating him down. Who would of thought that your own pastor would purposely bring you down. As for the non sense of Obama being born in Kenya as long as his mother retained citizenship he is still considered a citizen of the U.S. he would also be considered a citizen of Kenya.
This election needs to get back to who’s better for the country. With the baggage Obama has Wright now I would say try again in four years and clean up your associations. Hillary is leading in all polls today except N.C. I do not think she will win N.C. the black population is way to big and they are loyal voters. Obama might have to start thinking about maybe being a vice president soon and the only one he has to blame is himself.
I have heard enough lies…I’m sure obama would not speak the truth because the truth is
not in him !!! so therefre I would not want to hear ANYTHING he had to say !!!
Thanks, Greta
I DON’T THINK THAT OBAMA WILL GO FOR ANOTHER DEBATE AS HE IS SO BUSY CLEANING UP HIS MESS FROM HIS PASTOR AND FARAKKAN AND AYERS AND EVEN HIS WIFE MICHELLE’S COMMENTS AND WRITINGS.
I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD DEBATE SO HILLARY CAN MAKE A FOOL OUT OF HIM.
Always need more debates! Hillary would look Presidential (once again) as Obummer stutters, hehaws and hems while the lies going atwirling thru his mind!
Hey, check into the 100 million dollars that Obama got from the George W. supporters back in
2006 to jump start his campaign. Maybe the Reps. wanted an easier opponent than H.R.C. and
Obummer sure would be the ticket.
Ha, all you obaminites are gonna learn. If He’s elected you will see the real obama, black and nasty, just like wright. do any of you think he listened to the man for twenty years and doesn’t concur with his thinking. A pastor is a leader, a guide if you will and for him (obama)to say they don’t have the same views is just stupid. If he gets elected he divide this country and we’ll be in a racial divide that’ll last for years and could come down to outright civil war. Believe me obama is a wolf in sheeps clothing and you guys are so mistified you can’t see it.
Do yourselves a favor: VOTE OFTEN AND VOTE REPUBLICAN!!!
How dare you. How dare any of you to use the lives of the soldiers that died serving there country to prevent terriorists from attacking our country once again. To insinuate these deaths are related to the Senator who was one of 77 who votes yes, is despicable. You have no pride. You have no shame. To use the military as a talking point in regards to promoting your candidate is horrendous.
I am soldier, stationed on Fort Bragg. And when they approved going to war I boarded a C130 to Uzbekistan, and then to Bagram Afghanistan. All to protect the lives of the american people. The ones who use there time quoting death tolls and percentages while stepping all over our backs to get a point across. What have you done! What have you done for the men and women in uniform that are dying so you can use us as a talking point?
Leaders make hard decisions based on the evidence provided. Leaders make choice for the welfare of there country and there nation. Leaders are responsible for the lives of millions. But you would rather forget that Senator Clinton was not the only one who voted. You choose to forget that Bush administration lied. You pick and choose what you want to hear and see, to twist it around to suit your purpose.
I volunteered to serve my country. When I raised my right hand I took an oath. I stand for something that you will never know about. The possibility of me loosing my life is a reality when i deploy. And I seethe with anger when I see people quoting numbers and percentages as if they have the right. You have no rights. You sold them the moment you stopped thinking about the welfare of the nation other than your own personal opinions and beliefs. You do us no justice. Have you ever sent one of those soldiers a care package? They have groups here across the united states that do things for the soldiers overseas.
But you rather use it as a talking point for Senator Obama. You are despicable. You are a disgrace. And you are abusing the right to vote when there are over 2 million people in two states I could name that would love to have the chance. So you all stay right here and keep going back and forth, proving your point by walking on the backs of the dead soldiers your using for personal gain.
I never. I never in my military career thought I would be disappointed in anyone. You show us no respect. You are willing to DIS respect the lives of individuals just to promote your candidate and that sickens me. It SICKENS me to know that no one cares about what is happening with us unless it can be used as a talking point.
To people such as you, we are a number that is pulled out from the top shelf to use as ammunition. When you prove your point you put us back until its beneficial once again. But if you want Senator Obama to the point you will walk over people who died serving there country to prove his capability. The ones who left daughters, sons, mothers, father and friends behind, do so. But your actions do us no service and your candidate do us no justice. Because you would rather forget he wasnt in the Senate to even vote, just to suit your personal needs.
SGT Patsy D. Rogers
What else is there that we don’t know about these two??????????????
If he has time to spend hours in the NBC studios then surely he has time to do a debate so the people can learn more about him.
He has been so protected by the press that the real Obama has not really stood up as of yet.
I just think its time for him to stand up and be vetted, by the people finally.
Barak does lousy in debates and would never debate Hillary again.
Want to see a pic of Obama’s white college girlfriend?
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Picture_of_Barak_Obama_and_his_white_girlfriend
I hate long posts and I bet not a lot of people on here read these loooooooonnnnnnng posts either.
There is justice in this world… Hillary and Bill are on the receiving end of the shaft they used on other people for 8 scandal filled years….gee imagine that??? Karma is alive and well and this time it’s the Clintonista’s turn to have it “stuck” to them. I’m not signing ANY petitiion to pull her chestnuts out of the fire that she and Slick stoked against themselves for 8 long years of one scandal after another. . People died while they LIED!
Where were all the petitions when she was making others’ lives a living hell on earth..and him too. Feel sorry for the people on 9/11 when Slick hid the fact he allowed Bin Laden to escape for the third time in a row…when people gave their lives to plan for Slick to take command and take Bin Laden down. He never did! How ANY American can justify voting for either of them…again..is so far beyond comprehension it’s pathetic. All I can figure is you’re voting party lines which will bite you all in the end the same way it bit you the last time when you voted Slick in to begin with. As Wright said…”"You cannot do terrorism on people and not expect to not get terrorism in return”,
I don’t feel sorry for Nobama he made his own bed too… and least of all I surely don’t feel sorry for the Clinton’s either…they made their own bed and now they find it a bit lumpy???? Too bad…sooo sad. You reap what you sow! The chickens ARE… coming home… TO ROOST!!!!!!!!!!
If all you people can complain about is that McCain isn’t Conservtive enough …and would rather allow another takeover of our WH by known criminals and liars…then I really don’t have much to say about that…other than…some people just NEVER LEARN! They will take you down with them. Count on it!
Hey Lorna ..are you on Obamas’ payroll? You have spent unmeasurable amounts of time and expended huge amounts of energy to do research on Clinton.Any good researcher however should list their sources. She has not been indicted or convicted of any felony. Ken Starr and others spent millions of tax payers money to put them away. If your allegations are true then I find it hard to believe that crimes of this nature wouldn’t have been revealed earlier in the campaign. Since the Clinton’s do have a lot of people who dislike them then why haven’t they come forward with a vengeance in order to get her out of the race? What are they waiting for? Another fact that may be noteworthy is that there are millions of people who have voted for her. I feel compelled to caution you that insinuating that the Clinton’s are murderers is a form of slander and certainly is a felony. Take care.
Don’t believe for a minute that the supers are all secretly aligned in the Obama camp. The media who print and proliferate this and other stories about her needing to drop out are all for Obama-shamelessly so. If they are, they just sold out the next 4 maybe 8 years. You cannot win a close battle and it will be close with the small caucus states. You need to beat the opponent (who has some appeal) in the battlegrounds where Hillary has won. It used to be a dead heat, but I think in all the areas that matter-Hillary is pulling ahead. Hillary can tell her passionate supporters to support the democratic candidate but I doubt the ones in Florida will be able to stomach doing so unless their votes are counted. Hide and duck, the media will protect him.
I know we all have heard them both many times. But it seems to me that he is hiding. His public speaking has lost its’ luster. If he want to be President, he needs to show that he is FEARLESS. To me, it seems like he is hiding. It is not the issues so much as seeing if he can speak intelligently and it is how he acts, his body language, voice, etc. that will help people feel more secure about him again. Hiding or ducking makes it seem like he cannot handle Hillary. For Goodness Sakes!!!!! Hillary is out there staying that she WILL SHOUT IT FROM THE MOUNTAINTOPS that dems should vote for WHOEVER is the nominie. Nothing like those words coming from the Obama campagin that I have heard. Silence.
SHE IHAS A BAD PAST AND DO NOT WANT A PERSON WITH HER CREDABILITY AND ALL THE CROOKS IN LIST I PUT UP IN WHITEHOUSE
My point is what the Clintons are capable of and her relign as well she is no nun
The reason that Obama will not debate in my opinion is he really can’t take any kind of criticism. I think this stems from his disruptive childhood. He is driven by the deep rooted need to be validated and valued. This is not hard to understand since he was abandoned by his father and moved again when his mother remained in Indonesia (after re-marrying) when Barack wanted to return to the States. His maternal grandparents took him in at the age of 10 and provided him with a very upscale private education.When a child is separated from a parent at such a young age it leaves deep emotional scars. These type of wounds are not easily healed and leaves a person uncertain of his identity and his worth. I think this is what propels him and I also think that this insatiable need to be accepted is what drew him to Reverend Wright in the first place. I can personally relate to this part of his bio and truly feel some compassion for him. Because he has such a need to be loved and accepted it can impair one’s judgment. It is difficult to form healthy and loving relationships. If a person’s self-esteem is low and I truly believe his is, it makes one vulnerable. Unfortunately under these circumstances a person will end up with some unsavory characters in their repertoire. When you digest a few excerpts from his book “Dreams of my Father” his anguish is almost palpable. The reason these points are important to ponder are because this young ambitious man wants to be our President. The responsibilities are daunting. There will be times when he will have to make unpopular decisions which I think will cause him great anxiety. This is an observation and an unprofessional opinion but I do believe it comes into play when asked about debates or Rev. Wright.
OBAMA HAVE TO MUCH TO WORRY ABOUT RIGHT NOW TO DEBATE HILLARY. WHAT I SAY IS OBAMA HAVE NOT HEARD THE LAST FROM REV. WRIGHT. IN A WAY I DON’T BLAME REV. WRIGHT. OBAMA NEEDED REV. WRIGHT FOR SO MANY YEARS TO GET AHEAD AND WHEN IT SEEMS HE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THIS HE WANT TO THROW THE REV. UNDER THE BUS. HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER RAN FOR PRESIDENT LIKE I HAVE SAID SO MANY TIMES OBAMA IS GREEDY AND HE WILL DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO GET WHERE HE WANTS TO GO. YES HE SHOULD DEBATE BEFORE THE NORTH CAROLINA AND INDIANA PRIMARIES IT WOULD SHOW LEADERSHIP. NOW HE AND HIS WIFE IS ALL OVER THE NEWS TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE REV. WRIGHT COMMENTS. WHY WASN’T THIS DONE BEFORE A LONG TIME AGO. I BELIEVE IT WASN’T DONE BECAUSE OBAMA THOUGHT HE HAD IT MADE. HE WAS BANKING ON VOTES HE GOT BY BEING DISHONEST. REV. WRIGHT KNOWS A LOT ABOUT OBAMA HE BETTER HOPE THE REV. DON’T COME OUT WITH SOME DEEP DARK SECERT HE KNOW ABOUT HIM OVER THE YEARS. I THINK OBAMA MADE A MISTAKE IN THROWING REV. WRIGHT UNDER THE BUS NOW I THINK HE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO BUT HE DIDN’T. THE ENQUIRER STATES THAT OPRAH TOLD HIM TO LEAVE A LONG TIME AGO BUT HE REFUSED.
THE $$$$$$$$$$$ behind OBAMA —– George Soros
Soros is famously known for “breaking the Bank of England” on Black Wednesday in 1992.
With an estimated current net worth of around $8.5 billion, he is ranked by Forbes as the 80th-richest person in the world.
November 12, 2007, he said that he supports Barack Obama for the Democratic candidate in the 2008 election
Soros has been active as a philanthropist since the 1970s, when he began providing funds to help black students
attend the University of Cape Town in apartheid South Africa, and began funding dissident movements behind iron curtain.
Devoted to encouraging transitional and emerging nations to become ‘open societies,’ open not only in the
sense of freedom of commerce but - more important - tolerant of new ideas and different modes of thinking and behavior.”
I hear the Super delegates are sitting in the Wood Shed, contemplating what they should do.
They say they have received numerous letters criticizing their neutrality - HO HUM !
Divisive? NDC Convention? This IS the American way - and not likely to change any time soon.
Not to worry tho, after Obama kisses up to the super delegates, he’ll DISS em down the road.
Comment by lorna
April 30th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
CLINTON BODY COUNT
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4000+ dead soldiers in IRAQ - so what’s your point
LIVE IN THE HERE AND NOW !
CLINTON BODY COUNT
By: Ether Zone Staff
Here is the latest body count that we have. All of these people have been connected with the Clintons in some form or another. We have not included any deaths that could not be verified or connected to the Clinton scandals. All deaths are listed chronologically by date. This list is current and accurate to the best of our knowledge as of January 13, 1999 August 1, 2000.
Susan Coleman: Rumors were circulating in Arkansas of an affair with Bill Clinton. She was found dead with a gunshot wound to the head at 7 1/2 months pregnant. Death was an apparent suicide.
Larry Guerrin: Was killed in February 1987 while investigating the INSLAW case.
Kevin Ives & Don Henry: Initial cause of death was reported to be the result of falling asleep on a railroad track in Arkansas on August 23, 1987. This ruling was reported by the State medical examiner Fahmy Malak. Later it was determined that Kevin died from a crushed skull prior to being placed on the tracks. Don had been stabbed in the back. Rumors indicate that they might have stumbled upon a Mena drug operation.
Keith Coney: Keith had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Died in a motorcycle accident in July 1988 with unconfirmed reports of a high speed car chase.
Keith McKaskle: McKaskle has information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He was stabbed to death in November 1988.
Gregory Collins: Greg had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He died from a gunshot wound to the face in January 1989.
Jeff Rhodes: He had information on the deaths of Ives, Henry & McKaskle. His burned body was found in a trash dump in April 1989. He died of a gunshot wound to the head and there was some body mutilation, leading to the probably speculation that he was tortured prior to being killed.
James Milam: Milam had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was decapitated. The state Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, initially ruled death due to natural causes.
Richard Winters: Winters was a suspect in the deaths of Ives & Henry. He was killed in a “robbery” in July 1989 which was subsequently proven to be a setup.
Jordan Kettleson: Kettleson had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup in June 1990.
Alan Standorf: An employee of the National Security Agency in electronic intelligence. Standorf was a source of information for Danny Casalaro who was investigating INSLAW, BCCI, etc. Standorf’s body was found in the backseat of a car at Washington National Airport on Jan 31, 1991.
Dennis Eisman: An attorney with information on INSLAW. Eisman was found shot to death on April 5, 1991.
Danny Casalaro: Danny was a free-lance reporter and writer who was investigating the “October Surprise”, INSLAW and BCCI. Danny was found dead in a bathtub in a Sheraton Hotel room in Martinsburg, West Virginia. Danny was staying at the hotel while keeping appointments in the DC area pertinent to his investigation. He was found with his wrists slashed. At least one, and possibly both of his wrists were cut 10 times. All of his research materials were missing and have never been recovered.
Victor Raiser: The National Finance Co-Chair for “Clinton for President.” He died in a airplane crash on July 30, 1992.
R. Montgomery Raiser: Also involved in the Clinton presidential campaign. He died in the same plane crash as Victor.
Paul Tully: Tulley was on the Democratic National Committee. He was found dead of unknown causes in his hotel room on September 24, 1992. No autopsy was ever allowed.
Ian Spiro: Spiro had supporting documentation for grand jury proceedings on the INSLAW case. His wife and 3 children were found murdered on November 1, 1992 in their home. They all died of gunshot wounds to the head. Ian’s body was found several days later in a parked car in the Borego Desert. Cause of death? The ingestion of cyanide. FBI report indicated that Ian had murdered his family and then committed suicide.
Paula Gober: A Clinton speech writer. She died in a car accident on December 9, 1992 with no known witnesses.
Jim Wilhite: Wilhite was an associate of Mack McClarty’s former firm. Wilhite died in a skiing accident on December 21, 1992. He also had extensive ties to Clinton with whom he visited by telephone just hours before his death.
Steve Willis, Robert Williams, Todd McKeahan & Conway LeBleu: Died Feburary 28, 1993 by gunfire at Waco. All four were examined by a pathologist and died from identical wounds to the left temple. All four had been body guards for Bill Clinton, three while campaigning for President and when he was Governor of Arkansas.They also were the ONLY 4 BATF agents killed at Waco.
Sgt. Brian Haney, Sgt. Tim Sabel, Maj. William Barkley, Capt. Scott Reynolds: Died: May 19, 1993 - All four men died when their helicopter crashed in the woods near Quantico, Va. - Reporters were barred from the site, and the head of the fire department responding to the crash described it by saying, “Security was tight,” with “lots of Marines with guns.” A videotape made by a firefighter was seized by the Marines. All four men had escorted Clinton on his flight to the carrier Roosevelt shortly before their deaths.
John Crawford: An attorney with information on INSLAW. He died from a heart attack in Tacoma in April of 1993.
John Wilson: Found dead from an apparent hanging suicide on May 18, 1993. He was a former Washington DC council member and claimed to have info on Whitewater.
Paul Wilcher: A lawyer who was investigating drug running out of Mena, Arkansas and who also sought to expose the “October Surprise”, BCCI and INSLAW. He was found in his Washington DC apartment dead of unknown causes on June 22, 1993.
Vincent Foster: A White House deputy counsel and long-time personal friend of Bill and Hillary’s. Found on July 20, 1993, dead of a gunshot wound to the mouth — a death ruled suicide. Many different theories on this case! Readers are encouraged to read our report in Strange Deaths.
Jon Parnell Walker: An investigator for the RTC who was looking into the linkage between the Whitewater and Madison S&L bankruptcy. Walker “fell” from the top of the Lincoln Towers Building.
Stanley Heard & Steven Dickson: They were members of the Clinton health care advisory committee. They died in a plane crash on September 10, 1993.
Jerry Luther Parks: Parks was the Chief of Security for Clinton’s national campaign headquarters in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car on September 26, 1993 near the intersection of Chenal Parkway and Highway 10 west of Little Rock. Parks was shot through the rear window of his car. The assailant then pulled around to the driver’s side of Park’s car and shot him three more times with a 9mm pistol. His family reported that shortly before his death, they were being followed by unknown persons, and their home had been broken into (despite a top quality alarm system). Parks had been compiling a dossier on Clinton’s illicit activities. The dossier was stolen.
Ed Willey: A Clinton fundraiser. He died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound on November 30, 1993. His death came the same day his wife, Kathleen, was sexually assaulted in the White House by Bill Clinton.
Gandy Baugh: Baugh was Lasater’s attorney and committed suicide on January 8, 1994. Baugh’s partner committed suicide exactly one month later on February 8, 1994.
Herschell Friday: A member of the presidential campaign finance committee. He died in an airplane explosion on March 1, 1994.
Ronald Rogers: Rogers died on March 3, 1994 just prior to releasing sensitive information to a London newspaper. Cause of death? Undetermined.
Kathy Furguson: A 38 year old hospital worker whose ex-husband is a co- defendant in the Paula Jones sexual harassment law suit. She had information supporting Paula Jone’s allegations. She died of an apparent suicide on May 11, 1994 from a gunshot wound to the head.
Bill Shelton: Shelton was an Arkansas police officer and was found dead as an apparent suicide on kathy Ferguson’s grave (Kathy was his girl friend), on June 12, 1994. This “suicide” was the result of a gunshot wound to the back of the head.
Stanley Huggins: Huggins, 46, was a principal in a Memphis law firm which headed a 1987 investigation into the loan practices of Madison Guaranty S&L. Stanley died in Delaware in July 1994 — reported cause of death was viral pneumonia.
Paul Olson: A Federal witness in investigations to drug money corruption in Chicago politics, Paul had just finished 2 days of FBI interviews when his plane ride home crashed, killing Paul and 130 others on Sept 8 1994. The Sept. 15, 1994 Tempe Tribune newspaper reported that the FBI suspected that a bomb had brought down the airplane.
Calvin Walraven: 24 year on Walraven was a key witness against Jocelyn Elder’s son’s drug case. Walraven was found dead in his apartment with a gunshot wound to the head. Tim Hover, a Little Rock police spokesman says no foul play is suspected.
Alan G. Whicher: Oversaw Clinton’s Secret Service detail. In October 1994 Whicher was transferred to the Secret Service field office in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Whatever warning was given to the BATF agents in that building did not reach Alan Whicher, who died in the bomb blast of April 19th 1995.
Duane Garrett: Died July 26, 1995-A lawyer and a talk show host for KGO-AM in San Fransisco, Duane was the campaign finance chairman for Diane Fienstien’s run for the senate, and was a friend and fundraiser for Al Gore. Garrett was under investigation for defrauding investors in Garrett’s failed sports memorabilia venture. There was talk of a deal to evade prosecution. On July 26th, Garrett canceled an afternoon meeting with his lawyer because he had to meet some people at the San Fransisco airport. Three hours later he was found floating in the bay under the Golden Gate Bridge.
Ron Brown:. The Commerce Secretary died on April 3, 1996, in an Air Force jet carrying Brown and 34 others, including 14 business executives on a trade mission to Croatia, crashed into a mountainside. The Air Force, in a 22-volume report issued in June of 1996, confirmed its initial judgment that the crash resulted from pilot errors and faulty navigation equipment At the time of Brown’s death, Independent Counsel Daniel Pearson was seeking to determine whether Brown had engaged in several sham financial transactions with longtime business partner Nolanda Hill shortly before he became secretary of commerce.
Charles Meissner: died: UNK - Following Ron Brown’s death, John Huang was placed on a Commerce Department contract that allowed him to retain his security clearance
by Charles Meissner. Shortly thereafter, Meissner died in the crash of a small plane. He was an Assistant Secretary of Commerce for International Economic Policy.
William Colby: Retired CIA director was found dead on May 6,1996 after his wife reported him missing on April 27,1996. Apparently, Colby decided to go on a impromptu canoeing excursion and never returned. Colby who had just started writing for Strategic Investment newsletter, worried many in the intelligent community. Colby’s past history of divulging CIA secrets in the past were well known. Strategic Investor had covered the Vince Foster suicide and had hired handwriting experts to review Foster’s suicide note.
Admiral Jeremy Boorda: Died on May 16,1996 after he went home for lunch and decided to shoot himself in the chest (by one report, twice) rather than be interviewed by Newsweek magazine that afternoon. Explanations for Boorda’s suicide focused on a claim that he was embarrassed over two “Valor” pins he was not authorized to wear.
Lance Herndon: Herndon a 41 year old computer specialist and a prominent entrepreneur who received a presidential appointment in 1995 died August 10, 1996 under suspicious circumstances. He appeared to have died from a blow to the head. Police said no weapons were found at his mansion, adding that Mr. Herndon had not been shot or stabbed and there was no evidence of forced entry or theft.
Neil Moody: Died -August 25, 1996 Following Vincent Foster’s murder, Lisa Foster married James Moody, a judge in Arkansas, on Jan 1, 1996. Near the time Susan McDougal first went to jail for contempt, Judge Moor’s son, Neil died in a car crash. There were other reports that Neil Moody had discovered something very unsettling among his stepmother’s private papers and was threatening to go public with it just prior to the beginning of the Democratic National Convention. He was alleged to have been talking to Bob Woodward of the Washington Post about a blockbuster story. Witnesses said they saw Neil Moody sitting in his car arguing with another person just prior to His car suddenly speeding off out of control and hitting a brick wall.
Barbara Wise: Wise a 14-year Commerce Department employee found dead and partially naked in her office following a long weekend. She worked in the same section as John Huang. Officially, she is said to have died of natural causes.
Doug Adams: Died January 7, 1997- A lawyer in Arkansas who got involved trying to help the people who were being swindled out of their life savings. Adams was found in his vehicle with a gunshot wound to his head in a Springfield Mo. hospital parking lot.
Mary C. Mahoney: 25, murdered at the Georgetown Starbuck’s coffee bar over the 4th of July ‘97 weekend. She was a former White House intern who worked with John Huang. Apparently she knew Monica Lewinsky and her sexual encounters with Bill Clinton. Although not verified, it has been said that Lewinsky told Linda Tripp that she did not want to end up like Mahoney.
Ronald Miller: Suddenly took ill on October 3rd,1997 and steadily worsened until his death 9 days later. (This pattern fits Ricin poisoning.) Owing to the strangeness of the illness, doctors at the Integris Baptist Medical Center referred the matter to the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner’s Office. The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner’s Office promptly ran tests on samples of Ron Miller’s blood, but has refused to release the results or even to confirm that the tests were ever completed.
Had been investigated by authorities over the sale of his company, Gage Corp. to Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. was the man who tape recorded Gene and Nora Lum and turned those tapes (and other records) over to congressional oversight investigators. The Lums were sentenced to prison for campaign finance violations, using “straw donors” to conceal the size of their contributions to various candidates. Indeed, Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. had hired Ron Brown’s son Michael solely for the purpose of funneling $60,000 through him to the Commerce Secretary, according to Nolanda Hill’s testimony.
Sandy Hume: On Sunday, February 22nd, 1998, Sandy Hume, the 28 year old son of journalist Britt Hume, was reportedly found dead in his Arlington, Virginia home. Aside from the statement that this was an “apparent” suicide, there remains in place a total media blackout on this story, possibly out of concern that the actual facts will not withstand public scrutiny. Worked for Hill magazine, about Congress for Congress.
Jim McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally, sent to prison for eighteen felony convictions. A key whitewater witness, dies of a heart attack on March, 8 1998. As of this writing allegations that he was given an injection of the diuretic lasix has not been denied or confirmed.
Died on March 8, 1998
Johnny Lawhon: 29, died March 29, 1998- The Arkansas transmission specialist who discovered a pile of Whitewater documents in the trunk of an abandoned car on his property and turned them over to Starr, was killed in a car wreck two weeks after the McDougal death.. Details of the “accident” have been sketchy — even from the local Little Rock newspaper.
Charles Wilbourne Miller: 63, was found dead of a gunshot wound to the head on November 17, 1998 in a shallow pit about 300 yards from his ranch house near Little Rock. Police found a .410 gauge shotgun near Miller’s body and a Ruger .357-caliber revolver submerged in water. Investigators concluded the Ruger was the weapon used by Miller to kill himself. Yet, two rounds in the handgun’s cylinder had been spent.
He had long served as executive vice president and member of the board of directors for a company called Alltel and was deeply involved in his own software engineering company until the day he died. Alltel is the successor to Jackson Stephens’ Systematics, the company that provided the software for the White House’s “Big Brother” data base system and that was behind the administration’s plan to develop the secret computer “Clipper” chip to bug every phone, fax and email transmission in America.
Carlos Ghigliotti: 42, was found dead in his home just outside of Washington D.C. on April 28, 2000. There was no sign of a break-in or struggle at the firm of Infrared Technology where the badly decomposed body of Ghigliotti was found. Ghigliotti had not been seen for several weeks.
Ghigliotti, a thermal imaging analyst hired by the House Government Reform Committee to review tape of the siege, said he determined the FBI fired shots on April 19, 1993. The FBI has explained the light bursts on infrared footage as reflections of sun rays on shards of glass or other debris that littered the scene.
“I conclude this based on the groundview videotapes taken from several different angles simultaneously and based on the overhead thermal tape,” Ghigliotti told The Washington Post last October. “The gunfire from the ground is there, without a doubt.”
Ghigliotti said the tapes also confirm the Davidians fired repeatedly at FBI agents during the assault, which ended when flames raced through the compound. About 80 Branch Davidians perished that day, some from the fire, others from gunshot wounds.
Mark Corallo, a spokesman for the congressional committee chaired by Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., said that police found the business card of a committee investigator in Ghigliotti’s office. Corallo said Ghigliotti’s work for the committee ended some time ago.
Tony Moser: 41, was killed as he crossed a street in Pine Bluff, Ark on on June 10, 2000. Killed 10 days after being named a columnist for the Democrat-Gazette newspaper and two days after penning a stinging indictment of political corruption in Little Rock.
Police have concluded that no charges will be filed against the unnamed driver of a 1995 Chevrolet pickup, which hit Moser as he was walking alone in the middle of unlit Rhinehart Road about 10:10 p.m
Police say they have ruled out foul play and will file no charges against the driver because he was not intoxicated and there was no sign of excessive
Here’s Hillary’s List of Undesirables and Criminal Affiliations:
Susan and George McDougal (prison)
Norman Hsu (prison)
Peter Paul (Was in a foreign prison)
Marc and Denise Rich
Liu Chao Ying
American Muslims Association
Hugh Rodham (Her brother she’s hiding until the election is over)
Aaron Tonken
Sant S. Chatwal
International Profit Associates (IPA)
Yah Lin “Charlie” Trie
John Huang
James Riady
Johnny Chung
Roger Tamraz
Jeffrey Epstein
John K.H. Lee
Pauline Kanchanalak
Ng Lap Seng
Abdul Rehman Jinnah
Ron Burkle
Look them all up. Hillary Clinton will be under investigation before she could even win the nomination. The Republicans are salivating for her to win. She’s toast.
Hillary’s Nasty Pastorate
Posted March 19, 2008 | 01:11 PM (
There’s a reason why Hillary Clinton has remained relatively silent during the flap over intemperate remarks by Barack Obama’s former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. When it comes to unsavory religious affiliations, she’s a lot more vulnerable than Obama.
You can find all about it in a widely under-read article in the September 2007 issue of Mother Jones, in which Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet reported that “through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the “Fellowship,” aka The Family. But it won’t be a secret much longer. Jeff Sharlet’s shocking exposé, The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power will be published in may
Sean Hannity has called Obama’s church a “cult,” but that term applies far more aptly to Clinton’s “Family,” which is organized into “cells” — their term — and operates sex-segregated group homes for young people in northern Virginia. In 2002, writer Jeff Sharlet joined the Family’s home for young men, foreswearing sex, drugs, and alcohol, and participating in endless discussions of Jesus and power. He wasn’t undercover; he used his own name and admitted to being a writer. But he wasn’t completely out of danger either. When he went outdoors one night to make a cell phone call, he was followed. He still gets calls from Family associates asking him to meet them in diners — alone.
The Family’s most visible activity is its blandly innocuous National Prayer Breakfast, held every February in Washington. But almost all its real work goes on behind the scenes — knitting together international networks of rightwing leaders, most of them ostensibly Christian. In the 1940s, The Family reached out to former and not-so-former Nazis, and its fascination with that exemplary leader, Adolph Hitler, has continued, along with ties to a whole bestiary of murderous thugs. As Sharlet reported in Harper’s in 2003:
During the 1960s the Family forged relationships between the U.S. government and some of the most anti-Communist (and dictatorial) elements within Africa’s postcolonial leadership. The Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva, with Family support, was overseeing regular fellowship groups for Latin American leaders, while, in Indonesia, General Suharto (whose tally of several hundred thousand “Communists” killed marks him as one of the century’s most murderous dictators) was presiding over a group of fifty Indonesian legislators. During the Reagan Administration the Family helped build friendships between the U.S. government and men such as Salvadoran general Carlos Eugenios Vides Casanova, convicted by a Florida jury of the torture of thousands, and Honduran general Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, himself an evangelical minister, who was linked to both the CIA and death squads before his own demise.
At the heart of the Family’s American branch is a collection of powerful rightwing politicos, who include, or have included, Sam Brownback, Ed Meese, John Ashcroft, James Inhofe, and Rick Santorum. They get to use the Family’s spacious estate on the Potomac, the Cedars, which is maintained by young men in Family group homes and where meals are served by the Family’s young women’s group. And, at the Family’s frequent prayer gatherings, they get powerful jolts of spiritual refreshment, tailored to the already-powerful.
Clinton fell in with the Family in 1993, when she joined a Bible study group composed of wives of conservative leaders like Jack Kemp and James Baker. When she ascended to the senate, she was promoted to what Sharlet calls the Family’s “most elite cell,” the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast, which included, until his downfall, Virginia’s notoriously racist Senator George Allen. This has not been a casual connection for Clinton. She has written of Doug Coe, the Family’s publicity-averse leader, that he is “a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God.”
Furthermore, the Family takes credit for some of Clinton’s rightward legislative tendencies, including her support for a law guaranteeing “religious freedom” in the workplace, such as for pharmacists who refuse to fill birth control prescriptions and police officers who refuse to guard abortion clinics.
What drew Clinton into the sinister heart of the international right? Maybe it was just a phase in her tormented search for identity, marked by ever-changing hairstyles and names: Hillary Rodham, Mrs. Bill Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and now Hillary Clinton. She reached out to many potential spiritual mentors during her White House days, including new age guru Marianne Williamson and the liberal Rabbi Michael Lerner. But it was the Family association that stuck.
Sharlet generously attributes Clinton’s involvement to the underappreciated depth of her religiosity, but he himself struggles to define the Family’s theological underpinnings. The Family avoids the word Christian but worship Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the “meek.” They believe that, in mass societies, it’s only the elites who matter, the political leaders who can build God’s “dominion” on earth. Insofar as the Family has a consistent philosophy, it’s all about power — cultivating it, building it, and networking it together into ever-stronger units, or “cells.” “We work with power where we can,” Doug Coe has said, and “build new power where we can’t.”
Obama has given a beautiful speech on race and his affiliation with the Trinity Unity Church of Christ. Now it’s up to Clinton to explain — or, better yet, renounce — her longstanding connection with the fascis
Comment by JuneBug
April 30th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
For those of you who need verification of Obama’s birthplace:
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=29227
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That link is not verification.
It is an unsubstantiated, unattributed post on a blog by someone of unknown credibility.
Link to Katrina Donations at Trinity
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/04/atlas-exclusi-1.html
Family Reunion Under the Bus!
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Obama has an Islamic terrorist fundraiser raising money for him. Hatem El-Hady formerly of Kindhearts of Ohio, which was shut down in Feb. 2006. He was questioned about his knowledge of a UK based terror plot. He raised 5.1 million dollars in 2004 for terrorists. In addition to his endoresement by Hamas, this is very disturbing. If the super delegates are supporting Obama, in my opinion they are supporting terrorism.
First off, where do people get the idea that Hillary can lead a country? When she makes a mess in the WH you can bet Slick will have to clean it up….or someone will sweep it under the rug as they’ve done before…let’s not forget they both had all the cards in their favor once before…and what did they do when they did…took full advantage… and then screwed the help, the CIA, the Military, the FBI …. and all of us when Slick lied to our faces…..America as we once knew it DIED!……and we all know…how bad he is at doing any work he can’t get a flunky to do for him. Anyone can teach a Monkey to absorb FACTS AND FIGURES if they hear them long enough and ..if they study hard enough…that’s not the point. She is NOT leader material AT ALL ..she’s tough because she has to appear manily… but leading is not her forte’ anymore than it was Slicks. I for one do not want a repeat of what a disaster we had to deal with when they both had all the power. They abused it …and us…and every person who dared to cross them.
Does anyone REALLY believe either one of them has changed??? In what way exactly??? Where, when, and how…their own party hates them both. Do you remember how much money DC spent to get rid of both of them???? And now they want back to repeat history…what was so great about their history and legacy that makes them so appealing??? OMG Wake up. Giving them another chanxe to screw us again isn’t in our own best interests…it’s in theirs…not ours. She’s bound to be distracted by Slicks ego maniac tactics that embarass her at every turn..his ego won’t allow him to shut up… and be just the First Man…that’s beneath him..even if he wasn’t Presiden’t before she was….he’ll be President AGAIN…NOT HER!……and… she’s not big on leadership ABILITIES anyway to stand up to him… and she will need to keep her nose to the grindstone..not her nose following him around. Way too much distraction happening there from day one. A Leopard does NOT change it’s spots.
Go ahead…convince me she’s the best person for the job..other than she can repeat facts and figures at will. And, I’ll vote for her too……I’m waiting!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Jorge
April 30th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Wright should name his new house … ‘Katrina Castle’ … after all he got the house with donations for ‘Help the Katrina victims’.
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First time I’ve heard about this. Could you put up a link…or explain where this info. came from!!! Thanks
Greta,
You rock my world.I watch your show daily and really respect the wonderful work you do.As for Obama,I think its really sad that his friend of 20 years needs to be thrown under the bus in order for him to win the White House.The man who he called his Uncle sitting in that church as a boy listening to those sermons over and over again.Id bet a years salary that if Obama becomes our next President,the good Rev Wright will be invited to many funtions,dinners,and family get togethers.Tell the people what the want to hear and they will follow like sheep.History tells us this is really true when it comes to our youth.In any country or year you want to choose.
Wright should name his new house … ‘Katrina Castle’ … after all he got the house with donations for ‘Help the Katrina victims’.
Watch Out ….. more to come !!
Obama is still driving his bus …. several victims already runned over !!!
I wish someone would draw a cartoon of Curious George and his bus … teehee
I think George Soros is kicking the crap out of Rupert Murdoc and Rupert doesn’t have to balls to fight George back! Nevermind their media and political puppets.
Kim,
Everytime I hear Obama say he never vetted Wright, I consider that a bald-face lie. He gets away with it. He tells us he showed poor judgment when accepting the land deal from Rezko, yet he’s running on having good judgment. Which is it? One day he has poor judgment and the next it’s his campaign slogan. We can read into this. We don’t need anyone to point this out to us. He lies. Wm. Ayers, another poor judgment on his part, we all go to bombers homes to start out our State Senate campaigns. In the Senate, him and McCain get into it a year or so ago. Yet Obama tells us he can lead. First he has to work the aisles in the Senate, he talkes about Tom Coburn at the PA debate, another smart move. Republicans are just lovin this guy. When he can’t take the heat, he blames his Grandmother. Read his book Dreams from my Father. See if you can finish that and don’t come away with thinking him and Wright have a lot of thoughts about the whites in common, yet he threw him under the bus too when he’s no longer convenient to have around.
Moving on to the new Open Thread.
Kim2cool,
I don’t like the stamering myself but that is not why I think Obama is a typical liar politician.
1′ He said he never heard rev.Wright say anything derogatory at church(yet he at the last minute pulls him from the pray duty at his announcement that he’s running for president.
2, he said he gave back all of Tony Rezko’s money to charity (somehow he forgot about $90,000 that was spent on his senate campaign that he couldn’t give back)
3, in 2006 he was asked if Tony Rezko gave him a break on the property he bought from him Obama said no.(public records show that Obama bought the house for about $245,000 less then fair market value) when questioned about that he said he was unaware of that.
4, he said he never had a relationship with the weather group terrorist(2002 fund raiser was held at his house) (both served on a charity board together and co-chaired events) when asked about this Obama said that he was a fine upstanding teacher from the neighborhood and that he didn’t know him when he was eight years old.
5, when asked about Louis Farrakhan he said he had no relationship with him(2007 Trinity man of the year and walked with a group of men from Chicago in the Million man March that included Louis Farrakhan)
6, says he is wants to unite the country(20 years a member of Trinity Church that teaches black values and theology) that doesn’t sound like uniting to me it sounds like separatism!
Hillary is getting blamed for a lot of stuff her husband did and thats O.K. She is a tuff broad And would make a great president. Her only problem is all this hit the news to late. The press fell in love with Obama as did a lot of Americans. He came out sounded to good to be true and now he is proving that to be true. To the states that didn’t vote yet open your eyes fix the mistake tha rest of the country made. For the super delegates get it right don’t vote race.
Rev. Wright is not an idiot. He might be an a-hole, but he is not stupid. He staged this controversey with Obama so that Obama can play the victim and prove to everyone that they are now officially divorced. The media and much of the public are eating it up. Pennsylvania was the 1st big test as to how the Wright situation affected Obama’s votes and now there are many negative commercials being aired throughout North Carolina and Indiana linking Obama with Wright. Wright warned Obama along time ago that the day would come that they would have to disassociate themselves from one another and Wright was dead on. Obama will be sending Wright a thank you card before to long. They totaly deflated any more hype surrounding the two of them. I also could not help but notice that Obama used this as an opportunity to polish his wife’s reputation as he mentioned in his speech yesterday that his wife was just as angry and sadden by Wright’s comments as he was. These guys really know how to play to a crowd ecspecially the so called “white folks” as Obama’s has referd to us in many past interviews.
Today…….even though I do not agree with Rev. Wrights anti-american views……I actually feel sorry for Rev. Wright. Here’s why……Rev. Wright was intentionally HIDDEN from the public when he lead the Obama’s in prayer……when announcing Obama’s presidency…….Obama took Rev. Wright’s name off of his campaign advisory committee…….Obama refered to Rev. Wright as the “uncle” that everyone has in their family…..Just these facts …began to build RESENTMENT. Rev. Wright feels betrayed by Obama. Wright thought that he and Obama were on the same page for 20 years…..Rev. Wright, does deserve some credit for his honesty. Obama has lead us down the path of deceit. Rev. Wright feels betrayed, and I think he was betrayed by Obama……Why didn’t Obama use his uniting skills with Rev. Wright, in those 20 years, to explain to him some of the greatness of America.?……….
A man who has never gone to school may steal from a freight car; but if he has a university education, he may steal the whole railroad. Teddy Roosevelt
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Would you like me to tell you where you can put that degree of yours?!
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comments by jojo - I agree with you on Larry King. He is a real old duck trying to act like he is 30 years old. He is so far too the left its ugly. His wife a young girl acts like a weirdo, I seen her on a night show a couple of years ago. Young enough to be his granddaughter. He is a pure boring person. He has no class for TV. He better retire his obama may not get in.
The national Enquirer reported that Barack had cheated on his wife. Also an internet sight reported that Obama had a gay affair. I would hope both are just trash rags and blogs at their finest if not just more reasons not to vote for him.
Rosie,
Hillary is a habitual liar and can easily fudge her way out of a true answer. That is why her Bosnia answer flowed so freely off of her lips, she had written about the lie way ahead of time. Hillary is crafty, I will admit, and can play off any answer to her favor. I commented that Hillary hates to answer unscripted answers, not that she could not lie her way out of them! As far as Obama, he is more of an introvert, and an introvert must take time to think of their answers (I know, for that is how it is for me). So it appears he is stammering. However, that does not mean he is lying, just looking for the right way to express his ideas effectively.
Comment by Ken
April 30th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Greta….drop it…your bias toward Clinton is coming out……of the two Democratic candidates, it is obvious to the more intelligent voters that Clinton is the one who is saying what she says because of politics…besides, that’s the definition of a politician…it’s the dumbies in America who believe everything Hillary says. Barack will say what he has to say as a politician and so does Hillary…only he is more sincere and she is full of crap; don’t trust her; don’t believe one thing she says; she’s just plain ugly inside and out…we all know that so why don’t you get it?
And Great, who cares about Rev Wright and what he says whether or not Barack is present … Wright has the right to say what he wants…Barack has the right to attend what ever he wants to attend and listen to whomever he wants to listen to. I saw you sitting at the podium with Rev Wright…does that make you someone who condones everything he said. Eating a tomatoe doesn’t make you a tomatoe!! Get with it girl. PS I am a white grad degreed world traveled Republican intellectual … guess that’s why I can see through the Clinton crap and see a real change master in Barack. I don’t want the same old Washington filth that Hillary is so full of and represents. It’s time for a fresh start.
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Who the heck do you think you are to come on here and tell Greta what to put on her blog???
You obviously aren’t nearly as intellectual as you think you are, because you sound arrogant and insulting. You’re making both yourself and Obama look bad, and for Obama, he already looks bad enough.
Comment by kh in tx
April 30th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Mona Lisa- Since when did Michelle ever HELP Barack’s likeability factor????? I thought she had been sternly put away in a closet or something and told to shut up? kh
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kh in tx: Well, they are using her now. There is a blog post about her on the AC360 Blog today talking all about the “exclusive” interview tonight. Last night Chris “shivers” Matthews talked about how, because she is a woman, she can stir up sympathy for Obama by appealing to the voters in regards to this Wright crap.
The debates are over get over it. Obama is dancing away from the issues and the last thing he needs when his back is against the ropes is an a$$ kicking from Hillary. There is only so many times you can listen to umm hmmm and ohhhhhmmm. If it’s not on a teleprompter forget about it. If I were Hillary I wouldn’t debate him right now I would let rev.Wright keep beating him down. Who would of thought that your own pastor would purposely bring you down. As for the non sense of Obama being born in Kenya as long as his mother retained citizenship he is still considered a citizen of the U.S. he would also be considered a citizen of Kenya.
This election needs to get back to who’s better for the country. With the baggage Obama has Wright now I would say try again in four years and clean up your associations. Hillary is leading in all polls today except N.C. I do not think she will win N.C. the black population is way to big and they are loyal voters. Obama might have to start thinking about maybe being a vice president soon and the only one he has to blame is himself.
The Clintons have been vetted to the tune of $40 Million Dollars of the taxpayers’ money and the mo